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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>cheapbag214s</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat 1:05, 24 Aug 2013<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Kennedy conspiracy-spun3</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Kennedy conspiracy <br />UPDATED TWICE, TO REFLECT "FACTS": If we know any a couple of things to be real,<a href="http://giuseppezanottisneakerssale.webmium.com/" target="_blank" class="postlink"><span style="font-weight: bold">giuseppe zanotti sneakers</span></a>, it's that Bobby Kennedy was shot at the Ambassador Hotel just after midnight on June 6 4 5, 1968, and also that Dodger Hall of Famer Tommy Lasorda is a . storyteller without peer. 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